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Saul Klein on Real Estate Listing Syndication – An Anthology

Given that I generally only do CRM, it’s notable that I am promoting this video. It’s important and I am doing as Saul asked. I’m getting it out there.

I’ve known Saul Klein since 1999 when I first subscribed to his and John Reilly’s Real Talk. It grew to have over 50,000 agents, lenders, educators and the like. Saul has always been a very informed straight shooter and now is no exception. He is one of, if not the foremost authority in real estate on listings and their publication, syndication, the MLS, Trulia, Zillow, etc.  There is a great deal happening now with real estate listing portals. is there anything you should be doing? What does it mean to you? Where are we now? How did we get here, and where are we headed? Always worth listening to – watch Saul here…

Entering contacts in a CRM takes longer than paper!

Entering a contact into a CRM takes more time than writing it on paper. There I said it. So that means paper is better right?

This is kind of what some agents tend to think. Entering data into a CRM takes longer than writing it in your notebook or scribbling it on a piece of paper. That’s true, by a few seconds at most. But look down the road a bit. What happens when you need to reference that information? Which takes longer to find? The notebook. And if you wrote it on a post-it or a napkin or desk blotter good luck finding it at all. But accessing information faster is only the beginning. Without having to ever enter that information again, you can include them in a blast email, a direct email campaign, send them a report of your interaction, find them to do a quick personalized marketing piece, and much more. It’s the down the road benefits that people find difficult to value because it’s not nearly as readily apparent as the time it takes to enter the information in the first place.

As I’ve said many times, no one has to have a CRM. It just makes you faster, more reliable, less error prone, etc. I liken it to you being in a race to get your business where you want it both economically and organizationally. You can take a go cart to get there and it will always be slow and ugly, or you can take a Mercedes and get there much faster and in style. Which sounds better?

Contactually Redesigns Bucket Page

Bucket Page? If you haven’t seen Contactually, that’s what they call, what most people call, categories. Depending upon the CRM, they may call them groups, classifications, contact types, etc. Below is part of the announcement from them.

Faster, cleaner, and easier to use

First, we added new bulk change controls. Then, we revamped the Contacts page. Today, we’re launching the newly redesigned Buckets page, which we think you’re going to love. Here’s what we’ve been working on.

Less visual junk

Let’s start with the basics — the new Buckets page has the same simple, content-focused visual style we’re using on the Contacts page.

Contactually bucket page 1

There’s less clutter, fewer hidden features, and more of a focus on the things you actually use. For instance, if you have Programs linked to a Bucket, you don’t have to know to click on a tiny icon and click “Edit Bucket” anymore. Instead, just click the Bucket you’re interested in, and use the Programs & Integrations tab to see everything associated with that Bucket in one place.

Contactually Buckets 2

We’ve also added a new visualization to help you determine the general relationship status of any given Bucket at a glance. It’s simple — the more yellow and red, the more attention you need to give to the people inside.

And there is more but we’ll end it here. If you’re interested – take a look at Contactually here!

 

 

Making a CRM a Habit

Do you really want to get used to using a CRM and reap the benefits? Then you must do the following. No exceptions. No excuses.

This post is not for everyone. If you are the type that loves going into software and playing then you probably don’t need this. But if you’re like the other 70 or 80% who absolutely do not, then you need to do this. If you’re the one that is getting a CRM because you know it’s the smart thing to do, but you really don’t want to do it, then this is for you. And read the other post too :)

I wrote about this a few months ago here. I wanted to add one thing that I did not make clear before with regards to making an hour each day to learn the CRM. I think I left out a very important perspective. You must spend an hour a day every day in the beginning. Why? Because using the CRM has to become a habit and habits are formed with repetition. This is so important! As I say in the other article, after a while it will not feel like you’re forcing yourself to go into the CRM and use it. You will be living in it. BUT – you can’t get there if you don’t make it a habit by using it every day in the beginning when it is new and painful. Have a closing on Friday? Need to get to that very early? Get up an hour earlier and work on the CRM. Really. We’re talking about ten or twenty hours. Two to four weeks. Every day – first thing in the morning. It’s not forever. It will just seem like it.

You have to do this daily thing until you find yourself going into it all the time. That’s when you can stop doing the hour first thing in the morning. Until then – form the habit!

 

Research

Call Support!

I’ve written about this before but it’s worth repeating because I just had someone email me who is trialing two CRMs I suggested to him. He liked one better than the other but he asked me for another recommendation because the one he liked didn’t synch with Google. But it does! He was ready to give up on one he liked because it didn’t do one thing he wanted it to do. Maybe understandable but, he didn’t take the time to confirm with support that it did indeed not do it! Say that three times fast.

You need to call support!

Many agents trial CRMs much too quickly. They don’t understand that they need to spend the time necessary to truly give it a chance. That’s easier to understand if it was one that they picked out of a hat. But remember, if you spend a fair amount of time trying to find one and it is recommended by me or someone whose opinion you respect, give it a fair effort.

Make a list of the things you want it to do that you think it cannot. Then call support and find out. Don’t assume because you can’t figure it out that it can’t be done. OK? Have a positive attitude and don’t give up too quickly!

Real Estate CRM Tips – Google Hangout

Real Estate CRM Tips such as how to filter comments made by other agents about different CRMs; how to organize your time to learn a CRM; what can be done with a CRM and more.

This is a Google+ Hangout with Rob interviewing me and asking lots of questions. Rob is a broker in the Salt Lake City area and is very much into his real estate tech. I originally met him when he contacted me to do a webinar for the Salt Lake City Board of Realtors®

Learning a Real Estate CRM

Why get one in the first place? Without one, only the very most organized agents are truly organized and not in crisis mode an inordinate amount of the time. But there are plenty of agents who are making a great deal of money either on their own or with teams and have no CRM. No one has to have a CRM. But if you do, you can make the same money you make now in less time, or you can make more money in the same amount of time. That’s only one of so many benefits that you cannot really appreciate until you have gotten over the hump and look back at your career pre-CRM.

Your first choice is how you are going to use it. Is it going to be a glorified Rolodex or are you going to run your business with it? The following addresses the latter because the former requires no real commitment or significant learning curve.

If it feels like the hardest part about getting organized with a CRM is figuring out which one to get, but that’s only part of it. You also have to make time to learn it. Note the use of the word make as opposed to get the time. It is so very important to understand that this one point can make all the difference in the world. Will you be the person who implements the CRM and reaps the benefits or the person who eventually regrets spending the time and money and blames it on the CRM being too difficult to learn.

As a Real Estate licensee, we wear many hats. No one likes them all and learning software is one that most distinctly dislike. There are those who will tell you that the reason most agents don’t use a CRM is because they’re too complex and they need to be easier. As a result a number of Real Estate specific CRM’s are focused on making them easier to learn, almost to a fault. What it’s turning out to be in some cases is that CRM’s are being dumbed down to the point where they are no longer CRM’s. They are contact managers. An overly basic CRM is essentially a contact manager which is just a glorified Rolodex. A CRM is far more robust than a contact manager, so regardless of how well it is presented or how intuitive it is, you still need to take a good bit of time to learn it and how to integrate it into your daily routine. You learned how to use Outlook, MS Word, and maybe MS Publisher or MS Excel too. You spent hour after hour playing with them with no support and no training, until you got a handle on them and never complained because you had no choice. What is so different about learning a CRM? If you want to profit by what a good powerful CRM does, then you need to invest the time to learn it. You do not have to like the time you invest into becoming proficient with a good CRM. But what you will like is having more of a life, with less stress, with less mistakes, with better service, with less staff, with more compliments, with more referrals. Is that worth the effort?

Maybe you have heard the time management axiom that a meeting takes as long as the time you allot to it. The same goes for your Real Estate day. You cannot keep putting off learning your CRM until the time that you need to spend with it presents itself. For many of us, that time just does not come.

So what are some guidelines to help insure adoption of a CRM? The first thing to realize is that in order to use a CRM properly, you are going to end up changing the way you do certain parts of your business. One example is that you are currently recording data (names, phone numbers, email addresses) in many places. The goal with a CRM is to have as much of that data in one place, the CRM, as possible. Post-It pads go in the back of a drawer. No more scribbling on desktop blotters or napkins. Throughout the day if you are in front of your computer, you can enter it easily. Get in the habit of entering it while you are talking to them or immediately afterwards. If the CRM has a good mobile interface, it an be entered into there as well. But some times you just need to scribble it somewhere the old fashioned way. That’s fine, but here’s the rule. You have one small notebook in which you take notes. You are not allowed to write anything that is destined for the CRM anywhere else. You then take that notebook each morning or evening and de-brief that information into your CRM.

It’s all about attitude so the first thing is to make sure you have a good view of the big picture. The time it takes to learn the CRM is finite, right? While it may seem like it in the beginning, it’s not going to take the rest of your life to learn the CRM. The learning curve does end at some point. So what’s important is to realize that in the beginning it is going to slow you down and that will make it aggravating and frustrating. The better your attitude, the less you will experience these negative emotions. What is more important is to realize that after you get over the hump it will no longer be an effort to go into your CRM and work in it. It will become as much a part of your day as your email. When you’re in the office you’ll have it open on your laptop or desktop because most of what you do each day will be in the CRM. When you’re not in the office, you have access to your database on your phone or your tablet so you can continue to interact with it.

Initially you need to spend a minimum of one hour each morning before you do anything else as long as you have to, to learn the features you are going to use first. Your goal is to do this every single day without exception until going into the CRM is no longer a chore or a learning curve, but something that you do because you want to and need to. You will need to because you will be running your life with it. Yes both personal and business. There is no reason to separate them with regards to contact information and calendaring. So, in the beginning using the CRM is miserable until you internalize it. Then, it is something that is part of you from there on out.

A comment I hear on a regular basis in one form or another is that the agent does not “want to have to be chained down by a CRM and forced to spend too much time entering information into it”. If you think about it, what information are you putting into the CRM that you aren’t putting somewhere anyway? Do you have one set of contacts in your phone, another in your email, another in a spreadsheet, another in your MLS, and on and on? Having a CRM simply means that instead of having a number of places where you record your day to day data that you need, you have only one place to put it. The end result of that is that it’s much faster to find and use information and you can do many things with it that you never could before.

Before you buy a CRM, you must be committed to making the time to make it work. Know that it will be time consuming and frustrating in the beginning. Know that if you get over the hump, you will realize it is one of the best decisions you have ever made in your real estate career.

Real Estate Specific CRM vs Generic CRM

Following is an excerpt from my book:

There are many very powerful and versatile non-RES(Real Estate Specific) CRM solutions available. There are more and more people who have no Real Estate background, who are working with Real Estate licensees to help them with technology. They have a tendency to recommend non-RES CRMs to Real Estate licensees. Why? Because those are the CRMs with which they are familiar. There can be a significant difference between someone who works with Real Estate licensees to ascertain what they need, and someone who once was a Real Estate licensee, and knows what they need from that experience. Outlook, ACT!, Goldmine, Maximizer, SalesForce, Prophet, InfusionSoft, SugarCRM, and hundreds of others are very good CRMs with a widely varied arsenal of feature sets and capabilities. The problem with them is that because they are not created specifically for use by Real Estate licensees, they typically flow in a manner more closely related to non-Real Estate sales environments. In some respects, RES CRMs need to be more like that, but the downside is that they require a significant amount of customization and work-arounds. As powerful as some of those non-industry specific CRMs might be, even with whatever modifications or add-ons might be possible for them, they will still usually fall short of what a quality RES CRM will do for you right out of the box.

It’s very similar to web sites.Have you ever known someone who built his or her own Web site? Maybe they had a background in a related field, which gave them a leg up on designing their own Web site. The question is how long it would take them to:

  • Learn HTML
  • Learn a Web site editing software
  • Build their own site
  • Maintain it according to advances being made in that industry

If you are doing that, why not just get into the business of building Web sites? The answer is because you can make much more money in Real Estate sales, and you have already chosen to do Real Estate sales. So why would you spend literally hundreds of hours doing something you could pay someone else to do who could do it better and faster? Why indeed, when you could go out and make more money, and more quickly learn your chosen profession rather than someone else’s.

People tend to think that if they do it themselves, they are saving money. That could not be farther from the truth. The fact is that in order to grow your business in Real Estate sales, you need to be prospecting consistently. When you instead use the time you should be prospecting to customize software, you are costing yourself a great deal more in lost sales than you are saving in buying software designed for what you do. You can justify it by saying you simply do not have the money, which may be true. If you are honest with yourself, you will know that what you may also be doing is avoiding prospecting. Think about that very hard. Do you spend more time on technology than you should, when you know you should be prospecting? You would not be the first, nor will you be the last. It can be a fine line.

Are you one of that group of Real Estate agents who uses one CRM for a year or two only to change to another one that seems better for another year or two? How many have you used? The reason you stopped using the last one was that it did have a few features that you wanted. So the new one has them, but it does not have others that you already had. So the time you saved is far outweighed by the time lost learning another new CRM. If your current CRM is woefully inadequate for your purposes because you have outgrown it and now have greater needs than you once had, then by all means look into replacing it. If you are just being annoyed by a few inadequacies, consider staying with it. Make suggestions to the vendor, and maybe you can hope to see the changes you need made in a future release. A few shortcomings take far less of your time than learning a completely new CRM.

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